tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5826231802859523569.post7219647428576908851..comments2024-02-12T03:21:03.402-08:00Comments on Ron Martinsen's Photography Blog: Color Management 101 - How do I get prints to match what I see on my display? (X-Rite ColorMunki Review)ronmartblog.comhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06815090271742112506noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5826231802859523569.post-14101505544918529972013-07-10T18:40:59.246-07:002013-07-10T18:40:59.246-07:00Good article but it seems to miss one of the bigge...Good article but it seems to miss one of the biggest problems with displaying images on a monitor. Having used a ColorMunki to calibrate my monitor, I get different colors displayed depending which program is used to view the image and which color space/profile the program uses, i.e. Photoshop uses the embedded sRGB color space and the images look great, but other programs use the profile created by ColorMunki which makes the images look washed out as if they are being displayed in Adobe RGB.<br />With the default color space being sRGB, I would have expected an image being displayed using the monitor profile to be the same as Photoshop displaying the image in sRGB.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5826231802859523569.post-45930385572955976052012-07-03T04:17:00.218-07:002012-07-03T04:17:00.218-07:00Another excellent article, it has helped me determ...Another excellent article, it has helped me determine that I need the Colormunki for the 3880 - Thank youDarrenLWellshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05535706809795359705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5826231802859523569.post-92109807233171986892012-05-27T17:12:26.445-07:002012-05-27T17:12:26.445-07:00Tanya,
To do that you need to have your display c...Tanya,<br /><br />To do that you need to have your display calibrated and then get the ICC profiles from your printer. <br /><br />You can use the ICC Profiles in Lightroom 4 or Photoshop to do soft proofing to get an idea of what the print might look like.<br /><br />Here's the profiles for MPix Pro:<br /><br />http://mpixpro.com/files/ICCProfiles.zip<br /><br />Others make theirs available upon request.<br /><br />You also have to tell them to print using your settings and not add any color correction.<br /><br />With that said, I've rarely seen a great result doing this as there's so many variables. It's also hard to do unless you are a master printer yourself because you don't really know how to interpret the results from the soft proofing.<br /><br />Good luck!ronmartblog.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06815090271742112506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5826231802859523569.post-61943211253321898212012-05-26T12:03:59.116-07:002012-05-26T12:03:59.116-07:00Hi Ron. I would rather use a third party printer....Hi Ron. I would rather use a third party printer. My problem is getting THEIR printer to make prints which match my monitor. They offer a calibration print to use as an example for setting up your monitor, but what hardware/software would you recommend to help with this kind of calibration?Tanya Canamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15882628700926455206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5826231802859523569.post-12210013295017977002011-10-24T04:02:37.361-07:002011-10-24T04:02:37.361-07:00Hi ron
thans for the info you give with your arti...Hi ron<br /><br />thans for the info you give with your articles.<br />i'm interested in buying a new colorimeter and i am bit undecided.<br />my chichi are the write idisplay pro , the old idisplay for the lower price, and i have found a used i1 at 250 euro only but no software . my monitor is actually a 1mac 21,5 a mbook pro and un upcoming new nec pa241 with spectra view 2, in addition will add a new epson pro printer.<br />what do you think will be my best choiche? do you think the old spectra or colorimeter will be god for the wide gamut video?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5826231802859523569.post-85636683074557602842011-09-16T19:31:12.754-07:002011-09-16T19:31:12.754-07:00Ron,
Here's my question (assuming my understa...Ron,<br /><br />Here's my question (assuming my understanding of profiling is correct):<br /><br />Since Image Print presumably uses top-flight equipment in making paper profiles but it still is making a "canned" profile (given that it's not specific to my particular printer), is a profile that I make using Color Munki as good as the IP profile? <br /><br />I understand that my question can't be answered exactly, I suppose, but there isn't a super huge price difference between Munki and Image Print (well, I don't consider 300-400 dollars a huge difference given the price of an i1Photo device).<br /><br />ThanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5826231802859523569.post-44694431846581775892011-05-11T19:07:56.832-07:002011-05-11T19:07:56.832-07:00Hi Hartford,
Wow, it sounds like something really...Hi Hartford,<br /><br />Wow, it sounds like something really wonky is going on so I can understand your frustration. While what you are seeing certainly isn't the typical experience, let's make sure we get you to the right people so you can get this mess cleared up.<br /><br />Have you already contacted X-Rite support? If you have and they haven't been of any use, then please forward me your emails with them so I can try to escalate the issue on my end. If you haven't, then I'd urge you to do that as you shouldn't have any trouble getting the ColorMunki installed.<br /><br />A phone call to X-Rite is going to be your best bet to get started. <br /><br />I'm also perplexed as to why you'd have any performance problems with CaptureNX2. <br /><br />When you apply a color profile to your image, it gets re-rendered based on the the profile you've applied. If by chance you've got a bad profile then things can look really bad. Now if you generate a profile for a matte paper then it may look a little muddy on screen as matte papers will do that when printed and the screens have a hard time expressing "flat" so it translates more to muddy. If you were using Photoshop I could give you help, but I'd have to go back and re-install Capture NX to see what you might be seeing.<br /><br />Send me an email (see the link at the top right of the blog) with your paper profile that you've generated and a lot more details (paper you are profiling for example). <br /><br />Applying a color profile or installing a ColorMunki shouldn't have any impact on the performance of CaptureNX2. That is something unrelated as the liklihood of a color profile causing performance issues there is as likely as your computer only working when you aren't drinking coffee - it just doesn't add up. <br /><br />I'm sorry to hear about your issues so contact me so we can see if we can get you fixed up.ronmartblog.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06815090271742112506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5826231802859523569.post-51432985683589248432010-12-13T01:09:26.841-08:002010-12-13T01:09:26.841-08:00rhb - Talk to anyone who understands color managem...rhb - Talk to anyone who understands color management and paper profiles and they will tell you that the example here is a good one, but a more extreme case. The reason why is that there are few really bad paper profiles for better printers but there is also a big difference between a good paper profile and a great paper profile. <br /><br />I can't test on every printer out there, so while it might be more useful for you that I do this test with a R1900 - the next person would say printer X would have been better. What I can tell you is that with my 3880 - which is a pro caliber Epson printer that the Ultra Luster profile that came with it was good. The one I generated with the Color Munki is very good, yet it takes something more advanced like an i1XTreme or i1iSis and a large number of color patches to get the best possible profile. <br /><br />If you read the words of the interviews I did with the Epson print masters you will notice a common theme - it's all about the paper profiles. Best results require a great paper profile, so if you don't have that then you'll have a hard time getting great results. It's possible, but you'll have to have inaccurate color on your screen to compensate for the problems with your paper profile to get great results, and that's tricky too.<br /><br />If you are in the NW then come to the SCMUG talk this week to see some more real world examples. <br /><br />If you are unhappy with the results you are getting out of your printer, and you aren't able to get better paper profiles then it is probably worth it. If you think you have a great paper profile and you are unhappy then it's going to be either the printer or the paper that is the issue.<br /><br />Odds are it's the profile.ronmartblog.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06815090271742112506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5826231802859523569.post-18547054462866603732010-12-12T11:39:51.856-08:002010-12-12T11:39:51.856-08:00Nice article, but for me it sidesteps the major is...Nice article, but for me it sidesteps the major issue. You compare pictures before and after using Colormunki on a paper that has no supplied profile. Perhaps a comparison between pictures taken with, for example, the profile for Ultra Premium Luster on a R1900 printer provided by Epson versus the profile generated by Colormunki would be more appropriate. The results would go a long way in helping the consumer decide if the $499 investment is worth it.rhbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06182326649739314847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5826231802859523569.post-60393541260043393312010-07-23T07:43:02.131-07:002010-07-23T07:43:02.131-07:00Thanks for the kind words about my book, Color Con...Thanks for the kind words about my book, Color Confidence. And more importantly, thanks for helping shed some light on a subject so many photographers struggle with.<br /><br />Tim GreyTim Greyhttp://www.timgrey.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5826231802859523569.post-3018239685031331472010-07-15T07:42:49.208-07:002010-07-15T07:42:49.208-07:00Nice article, Ron. One additional comment regardin...Nice article, Ron. One additional comment regarding the Pantone Huey vs. other devices. The Huey software doesn't have a way for you to see how bright your display is. For accurate printing you really need both a calibrated display and a properly lit display. I've written in more detail about this at http://danecreekfolios.squarespace.com/blog/2010/2/17/monitor-brightness-and-dark-prints.html.Neilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06466135986179448409noreply@blogger.com